TAR club rules

[Questor]

The first rule of TAR newsgroup club is... don't post on the TAR newsgroup.

Okay, I can't speak for Armenia, but in the U.S., "clockwise is lockwise." See
also, "the right-hand rule." This applies to just about any threaded object,
including oil filters. There are still some exceptions where left-hand threads
are commonly used. Left bicycle pedals are usually left-handed threads, because
the natural motion of the rotating pedal would tend to loosen a right-handed
screw. Similarly, in the early part of the twentieth century, lug nuts on the
left side of cars used left-handed threads. When it was discovered that tapered
lug nuts don't loosen, auto makers started using them instead, and
contemporary vehicles have right-hand threaded lug nuts all around.

[Nancy Dooley]

In the US, I go by "righty tightly, lefty loosely."

N.

[Nancy Dooley]

Damn Apple!
That's should be, "righty tighty."

N.

[Loren Pechtel]

On Fri, 8 Apr 2016 18:44:14 -0700 (PDT), Nancy Dooley

Post by Nancy Dooley
In the US, I go by "righty tightly, lefty loosely."

Usually.

I was just hooking up a propane cylinder. There's a spring in the
coupler for safety reasons but it shouldn't engage so early, it makes
it hard to get the threads to engage. After fighting with it for a
while I remember that it's a left-hand thread.

[Nancy Dooley]

It is frustrating when you realize you have been tightening instead of loosening
because of a "backwards" thread.

N.

[Michael Black]

Post by Nancy Dooley
It is frustrating when you realize you have been tightening instead of loosening
because of a "backwards" thread.
N.

Yes, because then you've probably "made it worse", and at that point, you
are no longer sure of which way it is supposed to twist. "No wonder it
wouldn't loosen, I've been tightening it all this time".

Michael

[Nancy Dooley]

Speaking of this leg, that dance task was one of the hardest I have ever seen on TAR,
if not the hardest. The best, of course, were those who had previous dance
experience. I think at the end with Korey, the judge looked like he just rolled his
eyes and gave up, finally passing him through just to be done with it all.

N.

[Michael Black]

Post by Nancy Dooley
Speaking of this leg, that dance task was one of the hardest I have ever seen on TAR,
if not the hardest. The best, of course, were those who had previous dance
experience. I think at the end with Korey, the judge looked like he just rolled his
eyes and gave up, finally passing him through just to be done with it all.

I seem to recall talk about this years ago. People said that after a
certain time, the judges, maybe because they get tired of it all, are more
lenient. I'm not sure I noticed this (I can miss things like that) but it
makes sense. Not only does the judge and the others want to pack it up,
but if someone hasn't done it in a reasonable time, they aren't likely to
improve. On the other hand, if a team has been at the task for a while,
they have a certain "penalty" in that they've kept trying and are behind
the others. They haven't quit, which is a whole different case. So I can
certainly imagine it does happen.

On the other hand, we've seen tasks where the team keeps on going, and
then Phil goes to tell them that they can go home, it's over (like that
needle in a haystack one long ago). I can't remember what else about that
one might be different.

Michael

[Loren Pechtel]

Post by Michael Black
I seem to recall talk about this years ago. People said that after a
certain time, the judges, maybe because they get tired of it all, are more
lenient. I'm not sure I noticed this (I can miss things like that) but it
makes sense. Not only does the judge and the others want to pack it up,
but if someone hasn't done it in a reasonable time, they aren't likely to
improve. On the other hand, if a team has been at the task for a while,
they have a certain "penalty" in that they've kept trying and are behind
the others. They haven't quit, which is a whole different case. So I can
certainly imagine it does happen.
On the other hand, we've seen tasks where the team keeps on going, and
then Phil goes to tell them that they can go home, it's over (like that
needle in a haystack one long ago). I can't remember what else about that
one might be different.

We've never seen a Philimination of a judged task, only of tasks with
an obvious success point. (Generally needle-in-a-haystack tasks.)
Given how often we see judges appear to get lenient I expect they're
told to do it that way. They want to keep the race competitive.

[Michael Black]

Post by Loren Pechtel

Post by Michael Black
I seem to recall talk about this years ago. People said that after a
certain time, the judges, maybe because they get tired of it all, are more
lenient. I'm not sure I noticed this (I can miss things like that) but it
makes sense. Not only does the judge and the others want to pack it up,
but if someone hasn't done it in a reasonable time, they aren't likely to
improve. On the other hand, if a team has been at the task for a while,
they have a certain "penalty" in that they've kept trying and are behind
the others. They haven't quit, which is a whole different case. So I can
certainly imagine it does happen.
On the other hand, we've seen tasks where the team keeps on going, and
then Phil goes to tell them that they can go home, it's over (like that
needle in a haystack one long ago). I can't remember what else about that
one might be different.

We've never seen a Philimination of a judged task, only of tasks with
an obvious success point. (Generally needle-in-a-haystack tasks.)
Given how often we see judges appear to get lenient I expect they're
told to do it that way. They want to keep the race competitive.

Yes, I was thinking of that needle in a haystack one. I forgot that it
didn't need judging, they just had to find the needle.

Michael

[Nancy Dooley]

Dubai looked like fun, to me. And racing with camels...outstanding.
Those swimsuits for once made most of the men uncomfortable.
I wonder why the one girl...was it Rachel?...didn't have to wear one.
Maybe she had some religious objection. They certainly could have
fit her because they fit Sheryl ....

I thought U.A.E. Was strict on personal appearance and behavior, but
maybe that is Saudi Arabia I am thinking of. With Dubai's obvious
Big-money devotion to spectacular fun, like the water park, it's obvious
there aren't many restrictions on tourists.

N.

[Larry]

On Sat, 16 Apr 2016 05:29:52 -0700 (PDT), Nancy Dooley

Post by Nancy Dooley
Dubai looked like fun, to me. And racing with camels...outstanding.
Those swimsuits for once made most of the men uncomfortable.
I wonder why the one girl...was it Rachel?...didn't have to wear one.
Maybe she had some religious objection. They certainly could have
fit her because they fit Sheryl ....
N.

I didn't save the episode so I can't go back and look at it but I
thought she was wearing a tank top, probably hers, over the suit.

[Nancy Dooley]

She had what looked like both a tank top and a sports bra, and the swimsuit
bottom. It was strange that she was so covered up and the other women
wore the suits provided. There must have been some reason.

N.

[Loren Pechtel]

On Sat, 16 Apr 2016 05:29:52 -0700 (PDT), Nancy Dooley

Post by Nancy Dooley
Dubai looked like fun, to me. And racing with camels...outstanding.
Those swimsuits for once made most of the men uncomfortable.
I wonder why the one girl...was it Rachel?...didn't have to wear one.
Maybe she had some religious objection. They certainly could have
fit her because they fit Sheryl ....

Look more carefully--she wore the same gold suit as everyone else.
It's just like Brazil, she wore something over it. At one point you
can see her gold bikini bottom under that top.

Post by Nancy Dooley
I thought U.A.E. Was strict on personal appearance and behavior, but
maybe that is Saudi Arabia I am thinking of. With Dubai's obvious
Big-money devotion to spectacular fun, like the water park, it's obvious
there aren't many restrictions on tourists.

My impression is that while they are restrictive the rules are a bit
different in situations like the water park.

[Nancy Dooley]

Loren, I said in my post she wore the swim suit bottom...but I couldn't
see any of the top.

N.

[Michael Black]

Post by Nancy Dooley
Dubai looked like fun, to me. And racing with camels...outstanding.
Those swimsuits for once made most of the men uncomfortable.
I wonder why the one girl...was it Rachel?...didn't have to wear one.
Maybe she had some religious objection. They certainly could have
fit her because they fit Sheryl ....
I thought U.A.E. Was strict on personal appearance and behavior, but
maybe that is Saudi Arabia I am thinking of. With Dubai's obvious
Big-money devotion to spectacular fun, like the water park, it's obvious
there aren't many restrictions on tourists.

As the episode started, I was thinking the same thing, but apparently not.
I'm not sure why the UAE is more "open", but it's Saudi Arabia which is a
successful country that won't let women drive (or did that change
recently? Something did), and probably requires that women wear a hijab.

The minute they got off the plane, I was thinking "can they run around in
shorts like that?", and then "are the women allowed to drive?" but as we
saw, it is more liberal than we expected. I was watching, and I wondered
if the women were allowed into the tent for the nose rubbing. I kept
seeing men, but I may have missed a woman in there.

Considering all this entertainment stuff, the country has to be relatively
liberal.

Though, I thought I saw a woman wearing a "bathing suit" that was more
like a wet suit in having arms and legs covered, kind of in the background
of one scene where they were about to take the plunge.

That does contrast with the contestant who seems to have ended up with a
too skimpy top? She looked like she was worrying that she'd fall out of
it.

Michael

[Karen M]

Post by Michael Black
The minute they got off the plane, I was thinking "can they run around in
shorts like that?", and then "are the women allowed to drive?" but as we
saw, it is more liberal than we expected. I was watching, and I wondered
if the women were allowed into the tent for the nose rubbing. I kept
seeing men, but I may have missed a woman in there.
Considering all this entertainment stuff, the country has to be relatively
liberal.

It is, at least so far as tourists are concerned--Dubai is a popular destination for European tourists. TAR has been there several times and it doesn't seem that any restrictions are placed on female contestants though I'm sure they all--male and female--get a lecture on avoiding unacceptable behavior.

Post by Michael Black
Though, I thought I saw a woman wearing a "bathing suit" that was more
like a wet suit in having arms and legs covered, kind of in the background
of one scene where they were about to take the plunge.

Some less-conservative Muslim women do wear head-to-toe bathing suits; somehow a form-fitting suit that covers everything is deemed to be less revealing than even a modest, matronly Western-style suit. Sure, skin is covered, but every curve still shows and that just seems like a bit of a dichotomy to me. Whatever, at least they're allowed that choice.

Karen

[Nancy Dooley]

Last season, the same type of skimpy bikinis were given to the women when
they were doing the puzzles on the beach.

I am sure even some young women with great bodies would rather not wear those
bikinis. Why not give them one-piece Olympic style suits? It is just a play
at providing some eye candy for the men who watch. I think it is just silly.
And obvious.

N.

[Loren Pechtel]

On Sun, 17 Apr 2016 05:19:04 -0700 (PDT), Nancy Dooley

Post by Nancy Dooley
Last season, the same type of skimpy bikinis were given to the women when
they were doing the puzzles on the beach.
I am sure even some young women with great bodies would rather not wear those
bikinis. Why not give them one-piece Olympic style suits? It is just a play
at providing some eye candy for the men who watch. I think it is just silly.
And obvious.

Yeah, I'm sure it's just to give us some eye candy.

[Michael Black]

Post by Nancy Dooley
Last season, the same type of skimpy bikinis were given to the women
when they were doing the puzzles on the beach.
I am sure even some young women with great bodies would rather not wear
those bikinis. Why not give them one-piece Olympic style suits? It is
just a play at providing some eye candy for the men who watch. I think
it is just silly. And obvious.
N.

I'm not going to complain about the visuals, but you do have a point.

On "Survivor", the skimpy bikinis often seem to affect the game, the women
worrying about falling out of their suits (or at the very least, the
constant adjusting required to avoid that). The men often end up with
more practical clothing for such things. And that doesn't seem fair from
game playing position.

And yes, one woman last night certainly seemed uncomfortable, and while I
don't think it did affect the game, it could under the right
circumstances.

Though at least in this case, they put the men in suits that they were
uncomfortable about.

Michael