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TAR30 Episode 2
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Brian Smith
2018-01-11 02:09:43 UTC
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I won't give any spoilers but that first ever head-to-head competition at the end was so unfair as far as I'm concerned. It did have some exciting moments but it was so out of character for the race.

Next week it looks like someone is going to play a bit dirty.

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Brian
Bob Cotter
2018-01-11 03:57:29 UTC
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I was just going to post how totally unfair this task was too.
Brian Smith
2018-01-11 04:20:28 UTC
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Post by Bob Cotter
I was just going to post how totally unfair this task was too.
Hopefully that was a one-time only thing never to be done again.

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Brian
shawn
2018-01-11 11:44:50 UTC
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On Wed, 10 Jan 2018 20:20:28 -0800 (PST), Brian Smith
Post by Brian Smith
Post by Bob Cotter
I was just going to post how totally unfair this task was too.
Hopefully that was a one-time only thing never to be done again.
Agreed. All it took was one team with two weak players to end up being
eliminated. That team came awfully close to being eliminated because
neither one was physically strong/fast enough to be able to win
against the other teams. While the guy could have done better by not
trying to cut so many corners I still don't think that would have let
him win against the other racers to which he lost.
Loren Pechtel
2018-01-12 23:14:54 UTC
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On Thu, 11 Jan 2018 06:44:50 -0500, shawn
Post by shawn
On Wed, 10 Jan 2018 20:20:28 -0800 (PST), Brian Smith
Post by Brian Smith
Post by Bob Cotter
I was just going to post how totally unfair this task was too.
Hopefully that was a one-time only thing never to be done again.
Agreed. All it took was one team with two weak players to end up being
eliminated. That team came awfully close to being eliminated because
neither one was physically strong/fast enough to be able to win
against the other teams. While the guy could have done better by not
trying to cut so many corners I still don't think that would have let
him win against the other racers to which he lost.
It's a physical challenge. A team of two weak players is going to do
badly at many physical challenges. I don't see that it's unfair. Team
Yale doesn't have a chance in the long run.
Questor
2018-01-13 23:15:15 UTC
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Post by Loren Pechtel
On Thu, 11 Jan 2018 06:44:50 -0500, shawn
Post by shawn
On Wed, 10 Jan 2018 20:20:28 -0800 (PST), Brian Smith
Post by Brian Smith
Post by Bob Cotter
I was just going to post how totally unfair this task was too.
Hopefully that was a one-time only thing never to be done again.
Agreed. All it took was one team with two weak players to end up being
eliminated. That team came awfully close to being eliminated because
neither one was physically strong/fast enough to be able to win
against the other teams. While the guy could have done better by not
trying to cut so many corners I still don't think that would have let
him win against the other racers to which he lost.
It's a physical challenge. A team of two weak players is going to do
badly at many physical challenges. I don't see that it's unfair. Team
Yale doesn't have a chance in the long run.
Maybe Brian would have prefered it if instead the task was to differentiate
trigonometric equations or conjugate Latin verbs. Or perhaps to eat three
raw duck embryos covered in Belgian chocolate. [sfx: Survivor horn/theme]

I think the Yalies are going to go far. They are young and presumably healthy,
so they will better withstand the stress of travel racing. And they may be
clever enough to compensate for an apparent lack of brawn.

I'm not even sure how Goat Yoga fits into the theme of 'most competitive.'
I think they were a weak team and wouldn't have gotten far in the race. If it
wasn't this little physical contest, then it would have been another task where
racers have to climb, carry, or move something.
Brian Smith
2018-01-14 00:42:30 UTC
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Post by Questor
Post by Loren Pechtel
On Thu, 11 Jan 2018 06:44:50 -0500, shawn
Post by shawn
On Wed, 10 Jan 2018 20:20:28 -0800 (PST), Brian Smith
Post by Brian Smith
Post by Bob Cotter
I was just going to post how totally unfair this task was too.
Hopefully that was a one-time only thing never to be done again.
Agreed. All it took was one team with two weak players to end up being
eliminated. That team came awfully close to being eliminated because
neither one was physically strong/fast enough to be able to win
against the other teams. While the guy could have done better by not
trying to cut so many corners I still don't think that would have let
him win against the other racers to which he lost.
It's a physical challenge. A team of two weak players is going to do
badly at many physical challenges. I don't see that it's unfair. Team
Yale doesn't have a chance in the long run.
Maybe Brian would have prefered it if instead the task was to differentiate
trigonometric equations or conjugate Latin verbs. Or perhaps to eat three
raw duck embryos covered in Belgian chocolate. [sfx: Survivor horn/theme]
The task at the end was unfair for a number of reasons:

1. The course was too tight which allowed physically bigger teams to either block or cutoff smaller teams. The only reason Cody beat the NBA guy is b/c the NBA guy was TOO big.

2. According to the Goat who ran the course each bag of fries weighed about 20 pounds which meant they had to push around 160+ pounds of weight. How is that fair?

3. Doing this task at the mat essentially made the rest of leg a waste. Having more chances to run the task was not necessarily a benefit of getting to the mat early. What was more important was who you got paired up against.

4. Being last to the mat in the leg meant nothing. This twist was so ridiculous that the firefighter twins could have arrived 6 hours after the Goats and still advanced to the next leg.
Post by Questor
I think the Yalies are going to go far. They are young and presumably healthy,
so they will better withstand the stress of travel racing. And they may be
clever enough to compensate for an apparent lack of brawn.
That would be nice but I'm not going to hold out much hope for them making F6 let alone F3.
Post by Questor
I'm not even sure how Goat Yoga fits into the theme of 'most competitive.'
I think they were a weak team and wouldn't have gotten far in the race. If it
wasn't this little physical contest, then it would have been another task where
racers have to climb, carry, or move something.
What would have killed them was the constant bickering which seems to still be happening today. Hard to believe they've been business partners for 20 years. They're also not the only team that doesn't fit into the most competitive. Jody might be the worst fit of all. Jess didn't even make jury in BB19 and Cody was the first jury member. Cody winning the favorite player award had nothing to do with his game play. People voted for him as a big FU to Paul whom they couldn't stand this season. It also didn't hurt Cody that the cast of BB19 was one of the most unlikable ever and Jess campaigned her ass for him when she was sitting at a home after failing to make jury. Cody got screwed over by twists in BB so I think TAR will be a much better showing for him.

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Brian
Questor
2018-01-14 21:14:25 UTC
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Post by Brian Smith
Post by Questor
Post by Loren Pechtel
On Thu, 11 Jan 2018 06:44:50 -0500, shawn
Post by shawn
On Wed, 10 Jan 2018 20:20:28 -0800 (PST), Brian Smith
Post by Brian Smith
Post by Bob Cotter
I was just going to post how totally unfair this task was too.
Hopefully that was a one-time only thing never to be done again.
Agreed. All it took was one team with two weak players to end up being
eliminated. That team came awfully close to being eliminated because
neither one was physically strong/fast enough to be able to win
against the other teams. While the guy could have done better by not
trying to cut so many corners I still don't think that would have let
him win against the other racers to which he lost.
It's a physical challenge. A team of two weak players is going to do
badly at many physical challenges. I don't see that it's unfair. Team
Yale doesn't have a chance in the long run.
Maybe Brian would have prefered it if instead the task was to differentiate
trigonometric equations or conjugate Latin verbs. Or perhaps to eat three
raw duck embryos covered in Belgian chocolate. [sfx: Survivor horn/theme]
1. The course was too tight which allowed physically bigger teams to either
block or cutoff smaller teams. The only reason Cody beat the NBA guy is b/c
the NBA guy was TOO big.
I can't agree. A smaller person could just as easily block a larger person. It
was more important to be quick, to get out in front.
Post by Brian Smith
2. According to the Goat who ran the course each bag of fries weighed about
20 pounds which meant they had to push around 160+ pounds of weight. How is
that fair?
How is that not fair? They all had the same weight. Again, I point to the
roadblock from last season pedalling bicycles overloaded with fishtraps. There
have always been physical tasks.
Post by Brian Smith
3. Doing this task at the mat essentially made the rest of leg a waste. Having
more chances to run the task was not necessarily a benefit of getting to
the mat early. What was more important was who you got paired up against.
Has nothing to do with being fair... and the so-called "bunching points" have
long had the same effect.
Post by Brian Smith
4. Being last to the mat in the leg meant nothing. This twist was so ridiculous
that the firefighter twins could have arrived 6 hours after the Goats
and still advanced to the next leg.
Again, no connection to fairness.

It all comes down to being better at a task -- a silly footrace -- than other
teams. A team that wasn't better than any other team -- in other words, the
worst team -- would be eliminated. TAR isn't just about travel racing. Teams
must also be good at completing the various tasks (detours, roadblocks, etc.).
Post by Brian Smith
Post by Questor
I'm not even sure how Goat Yoga fits into the theme of 'most competitive.'
I think they were a weak team and wouldn't have gotten far in the race. If it
wasn't this little physical contest, then it would have been another task where
racers have to climb, carry, or move something.
What would have killed them was the constant bickering which seems to still
be happening today. Hard to believe they've been business partners for 20
years. They're also not the only team that doesn't fit into the most competitive.
In addition to Goat Yoga and Big Brother, the twin EMTs, the musicians, and
the Ring Girls all have little or no apparent tie to the theme of being the most
competitive. I know lifeguards take their competitions seriously, but while I
don't doubt there are EMT competitions, we haven't been shown that the twins
are active and/or excel in such. Music can certainly be a competitive business,
but musicians don't really compete against each other in the same way as the
others.
Loren Pechtel
2018-01-15 21:38:45 UTC
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On Sat, 13 Jan 2018 16:42:30 -0800 (PST), Brian Smith
Post by Brian Smith
1. The course was too tight which allowed physically bigger teams to either block or cutoff smaller teams. The only reason Cody beat the NBA guy is b/c the NBA guy was TOO big.
To cut off someone you have to be in front of them. The nature of the
course meant the person in front stayed in front **if they didn't make
a mistake**. We saw plenty of dropped fries, though.
Post by Brian Smith
2. According to the Goat who ran the course each bag of fries weighed about 20 pounds which meant they had to push around 160+ pounds of weight. How is that fair?
It's a physical challenge.
Post by Brian Smith
3. Doing this task at the mat essentially made the rest of leg a waste. Having more chances to run the task was not necessarily a benefit of getting to the mat early. What was more important was who you got paired up against.
No. The earlier you got to the task the more chances you had to be
paired against a weaker team.
Post by Brian Smith
4. Being last to the mat in the leg meant nothing. This twist was so ridiculous that the firefighter twins could have arrived 6 hours after the Goats and still advanced to the next leg.
That's a problem with the leg, not the task.
Karen M
2018-01-14 03:07:21 UTC
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Post by Questor
I'm not even sure how Goat Yoga fits into the theme of 'most competitive.'
I think they were a weak team and wouldn't have gotten far in the race. If it
wasn't this little physical contest, then it would have been another task where
racers have to climb, carry, or move something.
Hmm, disparaging middle-aged women. For shame. The Bowling Moms got a whole lot further than anyone expected, Goat Yoga might have surprised you.

Karen
Questor
2018-01-14 21:14:59 UTC
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Post by Karen M
Post by Questor
I'm not even sure how Goat Yoga fits into the theme of 'most competitive.'
I think they were a weak team and wouldn't have gotten far in the race. If it
wasn't this little physical contest, then it would have been another task where
racers have to climb, carry, or move something.
Hmm, disparaging middle-aged women. For shame. The Bowling Moms got a whole
lot further than anyone expected, Goat Yoga might have surprised you.
It has nothing to do with them being middle-aged women and everything to do with
being weak racers. Yes, the Bowling Moms got far, but my vague recollection is
that they struggled with the increasingly physical tasks as the race progressed
and eventually they could not keep up. As Brian points out, Goat Yoga's
bickering early in the race was not a good sign they would work smoothly
together as the pressure mounted. The Moms were much more positive throughout.

Any proper yoga is nearly the antithesis of a competitive endeavor. Team Goat
Yoga may be competitive businesswomen, but as with the musicians, there's no
direct connection to being a competitor that most of the other teams have.
Loren Pechtel
2018-01-15 21:38:45 UTC
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On Sat, 13 Jan 2018 19:07:21 -0800 (PST), Karen M
Post by Karen M
Post by Questor
I'm not even sure how Goat Yoga fits into the theme of 'most competitive.'
I think they were a weak team and wouldn't have gotten far in the race. If it
wasn't this little physical contest, then it would have been another task where
racers have to climb, carry, or move something.
Hmm, disparaging middle-aged women. For shame. The Bowling Moms got a whole lot further than anyone expected, Goat Yoga might have surprised you.
Karen
Whether they are middle aged women or not is irrelevant.

They were a pair that bickered a lot (something that does **not** bode
well in the race!) and weak.

They were obviously one of the early eliminations. After almost 40
seasons (I'm counting the spinoffs in English also) we have a fair
amount of experience sizing up teams.
Loren Pechtel
2018-01-15 21:38:45 UTC
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Post by Questor
Maybe Brian would have prefered it if instead the task was to differentiate
trigonometric equations or conjugate Latin verbs. Or perhaps to eat three
raw duck embryos covered in Belgian chocolate. [sfx: Survivor horn/theme]
I think the Yalies are going to go far. They are young and presumably healthy,
so they will better withstand the stress of travel racing. And they may be
clever enough to compensate for an apparent lack of brawn.
I'm not even sure how Goat Yoga fits into the theme of 'most competitive.'
I think they were a weak team and wouldn't have gotten far in the race. If it
wasn't this little physical contest, then it would have been another task where
racers have to climb, carry, or move something.
I think Yale's survival is mostly a matter of luck--where are the
physical challenges. They very well might stick around for a
while--what I'm saying is they will not be crossing the finish line.
Questor
2018-01-11 18:19:47 UTC
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Post by Brian Smith
I won't give any spoilers but that first ever head-to-head competition at the end was so unfair as far as I'm concerned.
How, exactly, was it unfair?

Did one team trip the other team's racer, or knock bags off of their handtruck?
Did the producers allow one team to race with only four bags, or on a shorter
course? Was one team told the rules and another wasn't?

As far as I could see, each team had an equal opportunity to win.
Post by Brian Smith
It did have some exciting moments but it was so out of character for the race.
What's the tag line for this season? Something like "most competitive season,"
isn't it?
Post by Brian Smith
Next week it looks like someone is going to play a bit dirty.
No, it looks like one team noticed another one made a mistake and kept quiet
about it. How is that "dirty?"
Karen M
2018-01-14 03:04:53 UTC
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Post by Questor
Post by Brian Smith
I won't give any spoilers but that first ever head-to-head competition at the end was so unfair as far as I'm concerned.
How, exactly, was it unfair?
Finish order as always been the order the teams arrived at the mat, time penalties for infractions aside. Having teams arrive at the finish point, then have to wait for another team to arrive, then beat that team in another task before they can cross the line...it's not so much "unfair" as it is a dirty trick. Sure, it's a game and the producers can make any rules they want, but still.
Post by Questor
Post by Brian Smith
Next week it looks like someone is going to play a bit dirty.
No, it looks like one team noticed another one made a mistake and kept quiet
about it. How is that "dirty?"
Does it create an advantage or disadvantage for either team? Fodder for future blackmail? I guess we'll find out next week.

Karen
Dnrapp
2018-01-14 05:50:44 UTC
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Post by Karen M
Post by Questor
Post by Brian Smith
I won't give any spoilers but that first ever head-to-head competition at the end was so unfair as far as I'm concerned.
How, exactly, was it unfair?
Finish order as always been the order the teams arrived at the mat, time penalties for infractions aside. Having teams arrive at the finish point, then have to wait for another team to arrive, then beat that team in another task before they can cross the line...it's not so much "unfair" as it is a dirty trick. Sure, it's a game and the producers can make any rules they want, but still.
They have done it in the past. I believe it was the first time the Globetrotters ran the race, there was something that they need to have 4 people to do the challenge.
Post by Karen M
Post by Questor
Post by Brian Smith
Next week it looks like someone is going to play a bit dirty.
No, it looks like one team noticed another one made a mistake and kept quiet
about it. How is that "dirty?"
Does it create an advantage or disadvantage for either team? Fodder for future blackmail? I guess we'll find out next week.
Karen
Karen M
2018-01-14 08:57:58 UTC
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Post by Dnrapp
They have done it in the past. I believe it was the first time the Globetrotters ran the race, there was something that they need to have 4 people to do the challenge.
Not ***AT THE MAT*** to determine who gets to step on the mat first or effectively go back and play some more.

Karen
Questor
2018-01-14 21:15:46 UTC
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Post by Karen M
Post by Questor
I won't give any spoilers but that first ever head-to-head competition=
at the end was so unfair as far as I'm concerned.
Post by Karen M
Post by Questor
How, exactly, was it unfair?
Finish order as always been the order the teams arrived at the mat, time
penalties for infractions aside. Having teams arrive at the finish point, then
have to wait for another team to arrive, then beat that team in another
task before they can cross the line...it's not so much "unfair" as it is a
dirty trick. Sure, it's a game and the producers can make any rules they
want, but still.
They have done it in the past. I believe it was the first time the Globetrotters
ran the race, there was something that they need to have 4 people to
do the challenge.
That was a "Merge" if memory serves. Two teams had to join and race together.

Elsewhere I pointed out how the Yalies had to wait in this episode at the
roadblock for three other teams to arrive before being permitted to do the sky
climb.

There have also been lots of Detours/Roadblocks with a limited number of slots
for teams, and latecomers had to wait if all of them were being used.
Loren Pechtel
2018-01-15 21:38:45 UTC
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Post by Dnrapp
They have done it in the past. I believe it was the first time the Globetrotters ran the race, there was something that they need to have 4 people to do the challenge.
Yup, the short-lived intersection. Two teams work together to
complete a task.
Loren Pechtel
2018-01-15 21:38:45 UTC
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On Sat, 13 Jan 2018 19:04:53 -0800 (PST), Karen M
Post by Karen M
Finish order as always been the order the teams arrived at the mat, time penalties for infractions aside. Having teams arrive at the finish point, then have to wait for another team to arrive, then beat that team in another task before they can cross the line...it's not so much "unfair" as it is a dirty trick. Sure, it's a game and the producers can make any rules they want, but still.
A task like this does not appreciably change the spacing, it just
reorders it.
Bob Bailin
2018-01-16 06:52:51 UTC
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Post by Loren Pechtel
On Sat, 13 Jan 2018 19:04:53 -0800 (PST), Karen M
Post by Karen M
Finish order as always been the order the teams arrived at the mat, time
penalties for infractions aside. Having teams arrive at the finish point,
then have to wait for another team to arrive, then beat that team in
another task before they can cross the line...it's not so much "unfair" as
it is a dirty trick. Sure, it's a game and the producers can make any
rules they want, but still.
A task like this does not appreciably change the spacing, it just
reorders it.
Had the last team gotten lost or done really poorly and was 6 hours behind,
the second-to-last team would still have had to wait for them. And if the
second-to-last team won the head-to-head, they would start the next leg 6
hours behind the other teams, through no fault of their own (other than
coming in second-to-last). Engineering a 6 hour bunching point on the next
leg would have been interesting for production.
Brian Smith
2018-01-16 07:12:09 UTC
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Post by Bob Bailin
Post by Loren Pechtel
On Sat, 13 Jan 2018 19:04:53 -0800 (PST), Karen M
Post by Karen M
Finish order as always been the order the teams arrived at the mat, time
penalties for infractions aside. Having teams arrive at the finish point,
then have to wait for another team to arrive, then beat that team in
another task before they can cross the line...it's not so much "unfair" as
it is a dirty trick. Sure, it's a game and the producers can make any
rules they want, but still.
A task like this does not appreciably change the spacing, it just
reorders it.
Had the last team gotten lost or done really poorly and was 6 hours behind,
the second-to-last team would still have had to wait for them. And if the
second-to-last team won the head-to-head, they would start the next leg 6
hours behind the other teams, through no fault of their own (other than
coming in second-to-last). Engineering a 6 hour bunching point on the next
leg would have been interesting for production.
Was having the next leg in Morocco their solution? I don't imagine Belgium has many, if any, direct flights there. If they had to go to say Amsterdam and the next flight was the next day that would probably give a team six hours behind enough time to catch up.

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Brian
Karen M
2018-01-16 08:08:15 UTC
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Post by Brian Smith
Was having the next leg in Morocco their solution? I don't imagine Belgium has many, if any, direct flights there. If they had to go to say Amsterdam and the next flight was the next day that would probably give a team six hours behind enough time to catch up.
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Brian
There are no nonstops but there are a couple direct flighs (one or more stops with no change of plane) from Brussels to Fez. Connecting flights can be created through Paris, Lisbon and Madrid. TAR isn't really known for picking city pairs with easy flight choices, even if it kinda-sorta-almost looks that way at the ticket counters.

Karen
Loren Pechtel
2018-01-17 21:32:00 UTC
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Post by Bob Bailin
Post by Loren Pechtel
On Sat, 13 Jan 2018 19:04:53 -0800 (PST), Karen M
Post by Karen M
Finish order as always been the order the teams arrived at the mat, time
penalties for infractions aside. Having teams arrive at the finish point,
then have to wait for another team to arrive, then beat that team in
another task before they can cross the line...it's not so much "unfair" as
it is a dirty trick. Sure, it's a game and the producers can make any
rules they want, but still.
A task like this does not appreciably change the spacing, it just
reorders it.
Had the last team gotten lost or done really poorly and was 6 hours behind,
the second-to-last team would still have had to wait for them. And if the
second-to-last team won the head-to-head, they would start the next leg 6
hours behind the other teams, through no fault of their own (other than
coming in second-to-last). Engineering a 6 hour bunching point on the next
leg would have been interesting for production.
Two teams were six hours apart, it's still two teams six hours apart,
just different teams.
Karen M
2018-01-18 08:49:45 UTC
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Post by Loren Pechtel
Two teams were six hours apart, it's still two teams six hours apart,
just different teams.
Yes, and the team that had to wait 6 hours got there first. I'd be peeved if I got there, then had to wait 6 hours because Team What's a Stick Shift drove their car in first gear for 100 miles, then lost a challenge to them for the placement, much less elimination. It doesn't matter if the challenge is hauling sacks of potatoes up 10 flights of stairs or a best-of-7 Rock Paper Scissors match...it would suck. I guess we'll get used to if we have to...and will find something new to grouse about next week.


Karen
Loren Pechtel
2018-01-12 23:14:54 UTC
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On Wed, 10 Jan 2018 18:09:43 -0800 (PST), Brian Smith
Post by Brian Smith
I won't give any spoilers but that first ever head-to-head competition at the end was so unfair as far as I'm concerned. It did have some exciting moments but it was so out of character for the race.
Next week it looks like someone is going to play a bit dirty.
They calll it the first but there have been various challenges where
the winner progresses, the loser takes on the next team to show up.
All that's new is the "head to head" label.
Brian Smith
2018-01-13 00:06:15 UTC
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Post by Loren Pechtel
On Wed, 10 Jan 2018 18:09:43 -0800 (PST), Brian Smith
Post by Brian Smith
I won't give any spoilers but that first ever head-to-head competition at the end was so unfair as far as I'm concerned. It did have some exciting moments but it was so out of character for the race.
Next week it looks like someone is going to play a bit dirty.
They calll it the first but there have been various challenges where
the winner progresses, the loser takes on the next team to show up.
All that's new is the "head to head" label.
When has TAR ever done that?

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Brian
Loren Pechtel
2018-01-13 17:36:26 UTC
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On Fri, 12 Jan 2018 16:06:15 -0800 (PST), Brian Smith
Post by Brian Smith
Post by Loren Pechtel
On Wed, 10 Jan 2018 18:09:43 -0800 (PST), Brian Smith
Post by Brian Smith
I won't give any spoilers but that first ever head-to-head competition at the end was so unfair as far as I'm concerned. It did have some exciting moments but it was so out of character for the race.
Next week it looks like someone is going to play a bit dirty.
They calll it the first but there have been various challenges where
the winner progresses, the loser takes on the next team to show up.
All that's new is the "head to head" label.
When has TAR ever done that?
Maybe I'm mixing it up with some of the spinoffs.
Brian Smith
2018-01-13 22:05:13 UTC
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Post by Loren Pechtel
On Fri, 12 Jan 2018 16:06:15 -0800 (PST), Brian Smith
Post by Brian Smith
Post by Loren Pechtel
On Wed, 10 Jan 2018 18:09:43 -0800 (PST), Brian Smith
Post by Brian Smith
I won't give any spoilers but that first ever head-to-head competition at the end was so unfair as far as I'm concerned. It did have some exciting moments but it was so out of character for the race.
Next week it looks like someone is going to play a bit dirty.
They calll it the first but there have been various challenges where
the winner progresses, the loser takes on the next team to show up.
All that's new is the "head to head" label.
When has TAR ever done that?
Maybe I'm mixing it up with some of the spinoffs.
Apparently TAR Canada has done that so they probably copied it off of them.

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Brian
Questor
2018-01-13 23:15:37 UTC
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Post by Loren Pechtel
On Fri, 12 Jan 2018 16:06:15 -0800 (PST), Brian Smith
Post by Brian Smith
Post by Loren Pechtel
On Wed, 10 Jan 2018 18:09:43 -0800 (PST), Brian Smith
Post by Brian Smith
I won't give any spoilers but that first ever head-to-head competition at the end was so unfair as far as I'm concerned. It did have some exciting moments but it was so out of character for the race.
Next week it looks like someone is going to play a bit dirty.
They calll it the first but there have been various challenges where
the winner progresses, the loser takes on the next team to show up.
All that's new is the "head to head" label.
When has TAR ever done that?
Maybe I'm mixing it up with some of the spinoffs.
I can't think of an obvious example where it's been so explicit, but we
just saw in last week's opening episode a footrace to the mat between the Ring
Girls and Team Goat Yoga -- essentially a head-to-head race with the loser
getting eliminated. And we have seen many such footraces. There have also
been instances where two teams are performing a detour or roadblock, and
the situation is such that first team to complete the task wins the leg, or the
losing team gets eliminated. So I would say that circumstances of the race have
already resulted in occasional de facto head-to-head competitions between teams.

Will we see another H2H competition in this season? It fits in with the theme.
Brian Smith
2018-01-14 00:44:54 UTC
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Post by Loren Pechtel
On Fri, 12 Jan 2018 16:06:15 -0800 (PST), Brian Smith
Post by Brian Smith
Post by Loren Pechtel
On Wed, 10 Jan 2018 18:09:43 -0800 (PST), Brian Smith
Post by Brian Smith
I won't give any spoilers but that first ever head-to-head competition at the end was so unfair as far as I'm concerned. It did have some exciting moments but it was so out of character for the race.
Next week it looks like someone is going to play a bit dirty.
They calll it the first but there have been various challenges where
the winner progresses, the loser takes on the next team to show up.
All that's new is the "head to head" label.
When has TAR ever done that?
Maybe I'm mixing it up with some of the spinoffs.
I can't think of an obvious example where it's been so explicit, but we
just saw in last week's opening episode a footrace to the mat between the Ring
Girls and Team Goat Yoga -- essentially a head-to-head race with the loser
getting eliminated. And we have seen many such footraces. There have also
been instances where two teams are performing a detour or roadblock, and
the situation is such that first team to complete the task wins the leg, or the
losing team gets eliminated. So I would say that circumstances of the race have
already resulted in occasional de facto head-to-head competitions between teams.
Will we see another H2H competition in this season? It fits in with the theme.
The examples who give were between two teams in the natural course of running a leg. They weren't contrived and they definitely didn't involve 9 or 10 teams. I also don't think they'll do the same thing more than once in a season and after the feedback from this season they'll never do this shit again.

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Brian
Questor
2018-01-13 23:14:36 UTC
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Post by Brian Smith
I won't give any spoilers but that first ever head-to-head competition at the end was so unfair as far as I'm concerned.
The part I thought was unfair was at the roadblock. The Yalies arrived at the
sky climb in the first pack of teams but were fifth. They were then forced to
wait until three more teams caught up, instead of being allowed to perform
the roadblock immediately after the first four teams finished.
Loren Pechtel
2018-01-15 21:38:45 UTC
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Post by Brian Smith
I won't give any spoilers but that first ever head-to-head competition at the end was so unfair as far as I'm concerned.
The part I thought was unfair was at the roadblock. The Yalies arrived at the
sky climb in the first pack of teams but were fifth. They were then forced to
wait until three more teams caught up, instead of being allowed to perform
the roadblock immediately after the first four teams finished.
We've seen things like that before. However, they normally involve
transportation assets, not something like this that perfectly well
could be run as many times as needed.

I don't exactly like it and I don't even think that was the intended
purpose--TAR doesn't care much about the middle of the pack.

What TAR does seem to care about is the back of the pack--they want to
keep them close. Something like this means you have multiple teams
leaving almost together, making the race not to be eliminated more
competitive.
Questor
2018-01-16 18:14:34 UTC
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Post by Questor
Post by Brian Smith
I won't give any spoilers but that first ever head-to-head competition at the end was so unfair as far as I'm concerned.
The part I thought was unfair was at the roadblock. The Yalies arrived at the
sky climb in the first pack of teams but were fifth. They were then forced to
wait until three more teams caught up, instead of being allowed to perform
the roadblock immediately after the first four teams finished.
We've seen things like that before. However, they normally involve
transportation assets, not something like this that perfectly well
could be run as many times as needed.
I don't exactly like it and I don't even think that was the intended
purpose--TAR doesn't care much about the middle of the pack.
What TAR does seem to care about is the back of the pack--they want to
keep them close. Something like this means you have multiple teams
leaving almost together, making the race not to be eliminated more
competitive.
Which also increases the possibility of the oh-so-dramatic footrace to the mat
to avoid elimination.
Loren Pechtel
2018-01-17 21:32:00 UTC
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Post by Loren Pechtel
Post by Questor
Post by Brian Smith
I won't give any spoilers but that first ever head-to-head competition at the end was so unfair as far as I'm concerned.
The part I thought was unfair was at the roadblock. The Yalies arrived at the
sky climb in the first pack of teams but were fifth. They were then forced to
wait until three more teams caught up, instead of being allowed to perform
the roadblock immediately after the first four teams finished.
We've seen things like that before. However, they normally involve
transportation assets, not something like this that perfectly well
could be run as many times as needed.
I don't exactly like it and I don't even think that was the intended
purpose--TAR doesn't care much about the middle of the pack.
What TAR does seem to care about is the back of the pack--they want to
keep them close. Something like this means you have multiple teams
leaving almost together, making the race not to be eliminated more
competitive.
Which also increases the possibility of the oh-so-dramatic footrace to the mat
to avoid elimination.
Exactly--TAR likes the leaders to be close, it likes the trailers to
be close. If you're in the middle of the pack it doesn't matter
either to production or the racers--there normally are bunching points
in the form of flights or operating hours.
Questor
2018-01-18 09:14:52 UTC
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Post by Questor
Post by Loren Pechtel
Post by Questor
Post by Brian Smith
I won't give any spoilers but that first ever head-to-head competition at the end was so unfair as far as I'm concerned.
The part I thought was unfair was at the roadblock. The Yalies arrived at the
sky climb in the first pack of teams but were fifth. They were then forced to
wait until three more teams caught up, instead of being allowed to perform
the roadblock immediately after the first four teams finished.
We've seen things like that before. However, they normally involve
transportation assets, not something like this that perfectly well
could be run as many times as needed.
I don't exactly like it and I don't even think that was the intended
purpose--TAR doesn't care much about the middle of the pack.
What TAR does seem to care about is the back of the pack--they want to
keep them close. Something like this means you have multiple teams
leaving almost together, making the race not to be eliminated more
competitive.
Which also increases the possibility of the oh-so-dramatic footrace to the mat
to avoid elimination.
Exactly--TAR likes the leaders to be close, it likes the trailers to
be close. If you're in the middle of the pack it doesn't matter
either to production or the racers--there normally are bunching points
in the form of flights or operating hours.
Without bunching points, they run the risk of what happened in the first season:
the third place team -- more than 24 hours behind the other two -- was still in
Alaska when the first and second place teams finished in New York City.
Loren Pechtel
2018-01-19 02:19:55 UTC
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Post by Loren Pechtel
Exactly--TAR likes the leaders to be close, it likes the trailers to
be close. If you're in the middle of the pack it doesn't matter
either to production or the racers--there normally are bunching points
in the form of flights or operating hours.
the third place team -- more than 24 hours behind the other two -- was still in
Alaska when the first and second place teams finished in New York City.
What I like a pseduo-bunching points. Departing teams leave spaced
apart but in the same order they arrive (typically sign-up-for-a-time
or take-a-number type things) Being first is still an advantage but
any big differences are eliminated.

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